[markt540i]

I am coming out of a 2006 550i after about 10,000 more miles. I have decided to get the new 7 series for more room. My last two 5's were fantastic cars but I need more room. I have been in many L version 7's but have not been in the back seat of a non L in a very long time. does anyone have information on the leg room difference. I know the car is stretched about 5.5 inches all in the back seat, but how much more leg room is there than the 5'er? Any links to pictures of the rear seat of a 750i versus Li would be great. Unfortunately in the small town I am in our dealer does not get many 750i's to look at. I guess mostly Li's are purchased.

FYI, I want the sport package equipped car and I suppose the shorter wheelbase will be a bit sportier.

Thanks

[KU530]

markt540i, on Jan 20 2009, 07:34 PM, said:

I am coming out of a 2006 550i after about 10,000 more miles. I have decided to get the new 7 series for more room. My last two 5's were fantastic cars but I need more room. I have been in many L version 7's but have not been in the back seat of a non L in a very long time. does anyone have information on the leg room difference. I know the car is stretched about 5.5 inches all in the back seat, but how much more leg room is there than the 5'er? Any links to pictures of the rear seat of a 750i versus Li would be great. Unfortunately in the small town I am in our dealer does not get many 750i's to look at. I guess mostly Li's are purchased.

FYI, I want the sport package equipped car and I suppose the shorter wheelbase will be a bit sportier.

Thanks

I just picked up a 750li I came out of a 5 series for the same reason. I needed more room. The leg room difference between the Li and i is greatly difference. With the i you might as well keep your 550. My kids feet don't even come close to touching the back of the seats. dont waste your time with the 750i get the Li.

[tbal]

Li definantly has more room than just the i models, not only that they look better go with the li's!

[Sam@sleekmotoring]

Day and night difference between rear leg room from the I to Li. It almost feels like the jump from Economy car to Limo.

If you were considering an I, I would rather just get a regular 5 or an M5. It doesnt make sense to me to get a big car, if its not the big one.

[Sam@sleekmotoring]

tbal, on Jan 20 2009, 07:29 PM, said:

Li definantly has more room than just the i models, not only that they look better go with the li's!

The top window line on the back doors of the I's looks way tooo slanted to me.

[tbal]

I's just dont look right, your right, you might as well get a 5 than lol

[550isport]

markt540i, on Jan 20 2009, 08:34 PM, said:

FYI, I want the sport package equipped car and I suppose the shorter wheelbase will be a bit sportier.

Sounds like you prioritize handling. Any long wheel based 7 prioritizes the comfort of its passengers over the driving joy of the driver (a point somewhat illustrated by the larger rear doors on an Li). The short wheel based 7 tips the scales ever so slightly in favor of the driver. With the i you get the status of a 7, the ride quality of a 7, the features of a 7 and...perceptibly better handling (at least with every 7 to date). In fact, it used to be that the sport package for the short car was stiffer than the sport package for the long car (the Li sport package has always been more of an esthetics only sport package anyway).

I have a 550 and its room is 'adequate' for my needs. I can't speak to the interior of the 09' 7, but the E65 750i didn't have much more leg room in the back than the 550 does. But the 7 is more comfortable b/c there is more width to the car (better knee room - no contact with the door unlike the 550), more shoulder room as well as more head room. The difference is that in the Li ANYONE will have room in front of their knees, where in the i, any rear seat passenger has "enough" room that their knees won't hit the back of the front seats (if they're not reclined excessively).

Ask yourself this. Since its a significant expense for BMW to have two chassis (i and Li), right? Why does the i exist? Simple: the i is for drivers and the Li is for chauffeur purposes. As usual, U.S. buyers sort of lost the plot. Even though very few people get chauffeured in a 7 in the U.S. (which is not the case in S. America, Europe and Asia), american buyers flock to the long wheel base car. From my experience, these U.S. Li buyers simply do not understand/or care that there is a price to pay for the additional space in the form of diminished handling feel and abilities. We're conditioned to believe that bigger is automatically better.

When I had a short wheel based 7, some of my friends asked if I had opted for the "smaller" car to save money!! Those that asked were shocked when I told them the price difference between the long and short car is essentially the cost of 1 option. Our country has many strong points (which will hopefully help to pull us out of this recession), understanding the nuances of european performance automobiles is definitely NOT one of them.

Still, no 7 has had four wheel steering before.... Test them both and see if you feel the difference behind the wheel. I certainly did with the E65s and E38s.

Good luck. I Hope this was of some help.
DRP

[Sam@sleekmotoring]

550isport, on Jan 21 2009, 12:31 PM, said:

The difference is that in the Li ANYONE will have room in front of their knees, where in the i, any rear seat passenger has "enough" room that their knees won't hit the back of the front seats (if they're not reclined excessively).

But when your driving a gangster pimped out 7, you have to lean the seat back far for the full gangster effect.
Just playing around.

550isport, on Jan 21 2009, 12:31 PM, said:

Ask yourself this. Since its a significant expense for BMW to have two chassis (i and Li), right? Why does the i exist? Simple: the i is for drivers and the Li is for chauffeur purposes.
DRP

I never thought about it like that, but in my opinion, thats the best explanation I have ever seen.

DRP is the man!

[sunny_j]

imo if you want a i stick with a 5, if you want a car with more leg room get a li. iirc the li is 5 inches longer in the rear thus making the rear doors longer and better looking.

[markt540i]

Thanks for the comments. All have been very helpful. Performance is very important, but I hate to buy a new car and have the same rear leg room I have now. Reading about the new 7 I think performance will be very good in both Li or i form. 550sport brings up great points. I am obviously the typical American, bigger is better. For that reason I will likely get the Li. LOL. I wonder about the sport package. With the adjustable suspension, is the sport package really worth nearly $5,000. You can upgrade wheels for a couple grand. I guess I will have to look at that more closely. Very good points on the over all additional room, not just more leg room. That will be nice, as the shoulder and head room in the 5 is a bit too intimate when you have passengers. Hopefully our dealer will get an i for me to look at. It seems almost silly not to get the Li though since I am looking for more room. One encourging thing is the 4 wheel steering. My Dad has an '07 Li and when he parks in tight spaces I can tell the turn radius is not that good. I assume the active steering in the 7 is the same as in my 550i, which I love. The ease of turning at low speeds will spoil you and makes steering all other non active steering cars seem almost sluggish at low speeds and requires so much "work" with the steering wheel. It is hard to describe if you have never driven active steering. I plan to get the HUD too. I love it in my 5.

Thank again for your help.

[Richard in NC]

Either car would make a great choice. The E66 750Li certainly still handles quite well. A friend drove one on the Tail of the Dragon, one of the twistiest roads in the US (318 curves in 11 miles). I followed him with the 550i and could easily hang with it but we were still running pretty darn hard. The new 7 should handle even better in either version.

[sunny_j]

markt540i, on Jan 24 2009, 08:26 AM, said:

Thanks for the comments. All have been very helpful. Performance is very important, but I hate to buy a new car and have the same rear leg room I have now. Reading about the new 7 I think performance will be very good in both Li or i form. 550sport brings up great points. I am obviously the typical American, bigger is better. For that reason I will likely get the Li. LOL. I wonder about the sport package. With the adjustable suspension, is the sport package really worth nearly $5,000. You can upgrade wheels for a couple grand. I guess I will have to look at that more closely. Very good points on the over all additional room, not just more leg room. That will be nice, as the shoulder and head room in the 5 is a bit too intimate when you have passengers. Hopefully our dealer will get an i for me to look at. It seems almost silly not to get the Li though since I am looking for more room. One encourging thing is the 4 wheel steering. My Dad has an '07 Li and when he parks in tight spaces I can tell the turn radius is not that good. I assume the active steering in the 7 is the same as in my 550i, which I love. The ease of turning at low speeds will spoil you and makes steering all other non active steering cars seem almost sluggish at low speeds and requires so much "work" with the steering wheel. It is hard to describe if you have never driven active steering. I plan to get the HUD too. I love it in my 5.

Thank again for your help.

i would rather get a 7 with EDC so you can switch between comfort and sport suspension. i really liked the EDC function on my 7 because i always didnt want a harsh ride so it was easy to switch between the two suspenstion types. as far as the rims go i would go with aftermarket or OEM 20,21 or 22's. one thing about the sports package that is appealing is the shadow line trim but im sure you can always switch it out later.

just my $0.02

[markt540i]

sunny_j, on Jan 24 2009, 01:38 PM, said:

i would rather get a 7 with EDC so you can switch between comfort and sport suspension. i really liked the EDC function on my 7 because i always didnt want a harsh ride so it was easy to switch between the two suspenstion types. as far as the rims go i would go with aftermarket or OEM 20,21 or 22's. one thing about the sports package that is appealing is the shadow line trim but im sure you can always switch it out later.

just my $0.02

EDC being Electronic Damping Control? I think the new 7's come with damping control as standard with up to 4 settings I think. Acocrding to the BMW USA website, standard features include driving dynamics control and dynamic damping control.

I looked up the sport package components...Roof Trim Strips in body color (I guess this is different than shadow line trim), Integral Active Steering (I believe this is the 4 wheel steering unlike active steering in the 5), Active Roll Stabilization, 19" syle 252 or 235 wheels with performance tires, and sports leather steering wheel. All for $4,900. As stand alone options you can get active roll stabilization for $1,800 and 19" style 235 for $1,300. So, the sport package is probably worth it.

Now I just need to hurry up and put miles on my 5 so I can get this bad boy.

[Heloha]

I am itching to drive the new 7! I need it cause my family is so big (5 kids). When I test drove an 08 sport (both i and Li) I really couldn't tell the difference...but I did feel considerably less sporty than my 550, much like the same difference between the 3 series and 5 series. I hoping the 4 wheel steer makes the new 750Li much more nimbler in the turns!

[manithemoneyman]

Get the Li!!!

Trust me the space, especially in the rear, is by far one of the best things about the car. Everytime I ride with friends they always comment about how nice and comfortable they are back there and most times they prefer to ride in the back than the front.

By the way, the 7 is one of the best handling luxury sedans out there but its still luxury before sport. Yes you can do mods to get it pretty damn sporty (like coilovers and lightweight wheels) but it'll never be a sports car.

Now seriously though, where are you guys going to be driving that hard anyway? Its not a sports car and most of you want the 7 for family reasons so I dont see many instances where you would need to be barreling down a narrow twisty road to really test the car's limits. Unless you live on a mountain...